The Kingmaker wrote:I would find Trump more funny if I was less of an actual possibility.
I think the same about Hillary Clinton.
The Kingmaker wrote:I would find Trump more funny if I was less of an actual possibility.
RaZoR LeAf wrote:Trump banning muslims from the US is basically an open invitation to ISIS to attack.
RaZoR LeAf wrote:By placing a ban on anyone that identifies as a muslim, he's basically saying that you as a person are not valued enough by the country. So the thousands of trained medical staff that would be saving your lives are banned from doing so. The military personnel that served in wars for you, are not welcome.
RaZoR LeAf wrote:That in turn is a dig at the terrorists that despise western ideologies. He's basically turning to the terrorists and saying "You aren't people." and that's really not a good thing to be saying when these people already want to destroy the US.
RaZoR LeAf wrote:Banning muslims from entering the country is going to quickly radicalise the peaceful muslims already living in the US, the ones that all of a sudden have become the enemy despite the fact that a week ago you sat next to them on the bus, were served by them in a restaurant and waved to them as a neighbour. Trump is basically creating a breeding ground for home grown terrorism.
Zonoro wrote:
This is disgusting and absurd. The very people who claim to be accepting of Muslims are the first to accept that they are ticking time bombs? Can you not see the hypocrisy? The assumption that well-adjusted, assimilated members of American society can be radicalized just because they are Muslim is about as Islamophobic as it gets. It is an admittance that Islam is an inherently violent religion incompatible with American values.
Zonoro wrote:A temporary ban on Muslim immigration does not tell American citizens they are not valued just because they are Muslim. It tells them that the actions of radical elements of their religion are justifying a temporary ban on immigration.
Juice Box wrote:Of course they'll radicalize if you kick them out. ANYONE would fight back somehow if you kicked them out of their home. It's stupid to think that they won't. Razor is just acknowledging that human nature. It's not hypocrisy at all. The fuck you going on about there.
Juice Box wrote:Good job sugarcoating the word "racism."
Juice Box wrote:I'm fine with Trump supporters because I only know a little about American politics, but lol dude, you're so so so wrong. Like x10 wrong, and I'm actually really amazed that you think you're right.
Zonoro13 wrote:When did anyone say we were kicking out Muslims? I think you're misunderstanding the point of contention. Trump's original idea, which he later discarded, was a temporary ban on immigration from Muslims.
Zonoro wrote:Good job attacking the word "patriotism".
Zonoro wrote:"I think you're wrong but I don't know why. "
Juice Box wrote:That's what I meant. Point still stands, just replace a few of my words. It's not hypocrisy to think that Muslims won't get mad, it's a normal reaction. Thinking it's hypocrisy is just wrong.
Juice Box wrote:There's a fine line between upholding your own people and bringing down others. I'm not sure you realize that.
Juice Box wrote:Lol atleast I'm not a racist :b .
Zonoro13 wrote:What is stopping ISIS from attacking us now, then? Will they hate us more than before if we ban Muslim immigration? Your argument boils down to "if we keep them out, they will attack us. So let them in." Which sounds ridiculous to me.
Zonoro13 wrote:You've got a strawman in the first bit. A temporary ban on Muslim immigration does not tell American citizens they are not valued just because they are Muslim. It tells them that the actions of radical elements of their religion are justifying a temporary ban on immigration. If a huge terrorist organisation was part of my religion to the extent that ISIS is to Islam, I would wholeheartedly support a ban on members of my own religion from immigrating, because I believe in the safety of American citizens, first and foremost.
Zonoro13 wrote:Good. Let's add insult to injury before we bomb them. It's not like they can hate us any more than they already do.
Zonoro13 wrote:RaZoR LeAf wrote:Banning muslims from entering the country is going to quickly radicalise the peaceful muslims already living in the US, the ones that all of a sudden have become the enemy despite the fact that a week ago you sat next to them on the bus, were served by them in a restaurant and waved to them as a neighbour. Trump is basically creating a breeding ground for home grown terrorism.
This is disgusting and absurd. The very people who claim to be accepting of Muslims are the first to accept that they are ticking time bombs? Can you not see the hypocrisy? The assumption that well-adjusted, assimilated members of American society can be radicalized just because they are Muslim is about as Islamophobic as it gets. It is an admittance that Islam is an inherently violent religion incompatible with American values.
The Kingmaker wrote:I don't honk any of us understand the point Razor was trying to make and how right he is.
There is only one "Islam", (as opposed to the ~5+ main strands of Christianity) but different areas teach different ideologies and use different parts of the Qu'ran. There are some Imams who believe in the new version of Jihad, and believe in violence and attacking the west. This number is tiny. But because of the outpouring of hatred towards Muslims, young impressionable people go to these Imams, and what they say makes sense. They then become radicalised and go on to plot and sometimes carry out attacks.
Shunning and isolating Muslims makes it more likely that some will become radical, exponentially increasing your problems.
@Zonoro, you can't bomb all of "ISIS". They operate in several countries and you can't just carpet bomb all those countries.
The Kingmaker wrote:Also so many people bring up the ban on Muslim immigration because it is one of his two main policies that he hasn't fully withdrawn from (such as any of the veritable cornucopia of abortion ideas) and The Wall is even more ridiculous to discuss.
Zonoro13 wrote:What is stopping ISIS from attacking us now, then? Will they hate us more than before if we ban Muslim immigration? Your argument boils down to "if we keep them out, they will attack us. So let them in." Which sounds ridiculous to me.
Zonoro13 wrote:You've got a strawman in the first bit. A temporary ban on Muslim immigration does not tell American citizens they are not valued just because they are Muslim. It tells them that the actions of radical elements of their religion are justifying a temporary ban on immigration. If a huge terrorist organisation was part of my religion to the extent that ISIS is to Islam, I would wholeheartedly support a ban on members of my own religion from immigrating, because I believe in the safety of American citizens, first and foremost.
Zonoro13 wrote:Good. Let's add insult to injury before we bomb them. It's not like they can hate us any more than they already do.
This is disgusting and absurd. The very people who claim to be accepting of Muslims are the first to accept that they are ticking time bombs? Can you not see the hypocrisy? The assumption that well-adjusted, assimilated members of American society can be radicalized just because they are Muslim is about as Islamophobic as it gets. It is an admittance that Islam is an inherently violent religion incompatible with American values.
RaZoR LeAf wrote:It's not a case of 'if we keep them out' it's basic reverse psychology and it happens constantly. Tell a group of petulant children that they aren't allowed in a room, and they will immediately try to get into the room. It's also an outright challenge.
"You're not allowed in our country anymore."
"Oh is that right? Challenge accepted."
RaZoR LeAf wrote:So why isn't there a ban on Christians due to the multitude of christian terrorist attacks in the US? Attacks made by pro-lifers always cite God and the Bible as justification for their attacks and bombings of pro-choice people. That's terrorism. It's inciting terror. The Klu Klux Klan are the same. Heck, West Borourgh Baptist Church are certainly on their way to becoming terrorists, they're the most hated organisation in the US considering they justifying EVERYTHING as being god's will. But there is no ban on this religion, simply because the christian majority of the US would never vote to allow it, they would never look beyond their own perspective and say "there are too many hateful christians here as it is, we shouldn't let anymore into the country."
Here's more: http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-t ... qual-isis/
RaZoR LeAf wrote:They certainly can. There are worse forms of terrorism than just blowing people up. Death from explosion is quick. Death from chemical attacks is prolonged agony. If ISIS wanted to hurt the US more, they could certainly do it.
RaZoR LeAf wrote:I live in the UK. I have seen ordinary people who have become radicalised and left to join ISIS on the news all the time. It's a simple fact of what occurs. That's what radicalising is. It has nothing to do with what I think of people and their religious choices, it's a messy bundle of politics, faith, education and desire. Who is in charge and what are they saying, what does the scripture say, what have I been taught, what do I want to do. All it takes is one person to create a spark of distrust and then everything else that occurs around them only helps to fan the flame. You should read up on cases of radicalisation that has occurred in the UK before jumping to conclusions.